B20z Or B18b?

[cybergreenhatch]

gutless wonder? thats y they pull better times than either of the other two motors, NA or boosted. Im not saying it is the best B series there is, but its a damn good motor for the money.

[AkinaDrifter03]

Thanks for the info guys.

[Turbob20EG]

Nckle-and-dime yourself to death is true. I building a Turbo B20 vtec setup and I nearly triple my starting estimated price. But it coming along nicely. It sld be damn close to how I want come summer. But, the lil stuff is what wll get ya. I would not rush it thou...look around and if can wait till a deal comes along. I have saved around 5 grand just waiting and buying stuff here and there.

[dubcac]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cybergreenhatch @ Nov 22 2005, 01:07 PM) [snapback]96614[/snapback]</div>

gutless wonder? thats y they pull better times than either of the other two motors, NA or boosted. Im not saying it is the best B series there is, but its a damn good motor for the money.
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Since when? I've pulled many an SI with my LS and full leather interior. I've also driven a B20 hatch, and it will EASILY outrun a B16 hatch. Like the age old quote goes, there's no replacement for displacement. I'd rather start on a bigger platform, but that's me.

[AkinaDrifter03]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Turbob20EG @ Nov 22 2005, 06:29 PM) [snapback]96624[/snapback]</div>

Nckle-and-dime yourself to death is true. I building a Turbo B20 vtec setup and I nearly triple my starting estimated price. But it coming along nicely. It sld be damn close to how I want come summer. But, the lil stuff is what wll get ya. I would not rush it thou...look around and if can wait till a deal comes along. I have saved around 5 grand just waiting and buying stuff here and there.
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Damn...have you really spent that much? Which block and head are you using?

[AkinaDrifter03]

This is a nice build:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...ficial%26sa%3DG

[JustaSolVTEC]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dubcac @ Nov 22 2005, 02:11 PM) [snapback]96603[/snapback]</div>

B16 swap?

Sure if you want a gutless wonder in your car. Besides, the cheap b16 is the one he mentioned, b16a1, which are all about 15 years old, and wouldn't be a legal swap for you.

And how are parts easier to find for the GSR than B20? The B20 just uses LS parts, and they are as easy to find as GSR parts. Not to mention the GSR costs significantly more money.

I also fail to see how it's easier to do an LS/CRVTEC by starting with a B16. That means you have to do a complete swap TWICE, rather than just a head swap. Isn't that about twice the labor and headache?
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1. there is no such thing as a B16A1. it's a B16A SiR gen 1. JDM motors don't have numbers on the end.

2. yeah, try putting B16 or B18 pistons in a B20...doesn't work. why? because B20s have an 84mm bore while the B16s and B18s have an 81mm bore.

3. to do a CR-VTEC or LS-VTEC, you'll need to build the block first.

[dubcac]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JustaSolVTEC @ Nov 23 2005, 11:16 PM) [snapback]96720[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dubcac @ Nov 22 2005, 02:11 PM) [snapback]96603[/snapback]

B16 swap?

Sure if you want a gutless wonder in your car. Besides, the cheap b16 is the one he mentioned, b16a1, which are all about 15 years old, and wouldn't be a legal swap for you.

And how are parts easier to find for the GSR than B20? The B20 just uses LS parts, and they are as easy to find as GSR parts. Not to mention the GSR costs significantly more money.

I also fail to see how it's easier to do an LS/CRVTEC by starting with a B16. That means you have to do a complete swap TWICE, rather than just a head swap. Isn't that about twice the labor and headache?
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1. there is no such thing as a B16A1. it's a B16A SiR gen 1. JDM motors don't have numbers on the end.

2. yeah, try putting B16 or B18 pistons in a B20...doesn't work. why? because B20s have an 84mm bore while the B16s and B18s have an 81mm bore.

3. to do a CR-VTEC or LS-VTEC, you'll need to build the block first.
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1. whatever, it's a first gen b16. it's old, has shitty valvesprings, and won't be legal. and i could've sworn a magazine did a story reporting that there actually is a b16a1...but that's a moot point.

2. no shit? That's common knowledge bud, that's where the 20 comes from in the B20...jesus christ, what is wrong with people? It uses an ls crank, ls rods, ls valvetrain, ls head, blah blah. Any LS part besides a piston will fit it, and even then you can get aftermarket 84mm pistons as easily as 81mm. Who the fuck would think about putting an LS or B16 piston into a B20?

3. wrong, all you really need is ARP rod bolts. Shit, I've even seen bone stock CRVTECs and LSVTECS hold daily rips to 8200rpm on 12lbs of boost.

Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass before you come and try to kick knowledge.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JustaSolVTEC @ Nov 22 2005, 10:40 AM) [snapback]96594[/snapback]</div>

you wouldn't need a GS-R head if you plan to boost. if you decided to do a CR-VTEC conversion, a B16 head flows better then a B18C1 head anyway.
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Btw, you're also wrong here. Have you ever seen the flowbench numbers? They flow almost identically, but the GSR actually outflows the B16 head at full valve lift.

[JustaSolVTEC]

if you really would like to argue with me, that's fine. how many CR-VTEC motors have you owned?

a CR-VTEC with stock pistons isn't going to make much power at all and is a complete waste. if you'd like to get technical, a B20 uses some LS parts, but not all. saying "a B20 uses LS parts" emplies that it uses all of the parts.

on to the B16 subject. Japanese motors never have high mileage since they usually get swapped out at a certain mileage range. therefore, the engines are still fine. B16 valve springs are B18 valve springs are Type R valve springs. and again, there is no such thing as a B16A1. USDM 4th gen Civics never came with a B series motor, but the JDM SiR had the B16A. then the B16A3 was OBD-1 and the B16A2 was OBD-2. do you really believe magazines say? that's sad.

[dubcac]

So would you run a motor that was 15 years old? Sure it might have been swapped out at a certain mileage range, but how many other people between then and now would have owned it/put mileage on it? A CRVTEC with stock pistons can make ok power, especially on boost/nitrous. How is it a waste? Anyone who wants to make power all motor is going to have to go high compression, no matter what motor they have. And the B16 does not use type r valvesprings stock...if that's what you were implying. If you were simply talking about replacing them, it's just as easy to find aftermarket springs/retainers for the ls/b20 head...better off going aftermarket anyways.