Greetings! Im the new guy!

[carfanatic08]

First off, I feel kind of stupid for asking some of the same old questions that everyone else is(a broken record). I have searched this site and haven't found the answers that i want. I have just recently sold my 83 chevy short bed with a tuned 454 and wanted to get into the import scene to test the waters! Im not rich by any means, but my pockets are kind of full. I have taken a likeing to the mid 90 model civic hatches. i plan on making a sleeper. Im sorta new at this in-line 4 cylinder scene though. my budget is about 5k-8k roughly for this project. Any suggestions or help to build the ultamite sleeper would be fantastic. Thanks!

[civichtbk7]

dont feel stupid man i just got done building my third honda....(well almost done)....and i still have questions everyonce in a while.. you got to start somewhere...

anyways back to the car... um personally i think you should do kinda like i did with my last car... 93 hatch ls/vtec(ls integra block with a vtec head... b16 usually if all motor because of the compression...if you have the money left after everything build the head(port & polish, cams retainers springs valves) b16 tranny.... good fuel system(manifold to injectors but dont buy a throttle body unless you build the head because its pointless if anything it hurts you) etc..) header, as far as an exhaust goes if you want it to resemble a stock exhaust get a borla they have some that resemble stock... MSD ignition.. p28 computer, tein coilovers, and the h beam stabalizer bars for traction, as for as wheels just really anything cause every ricer out there has wheels to... but its kinda hard to make a sleeper cause if you no honda's you can tell who has somethin and who dont... i have been fooled before but not very often.... hope i help you out


Chance

[carfanatic08]

I really appreciate the advice man! That gives me a good foundation to start on. Everyone seems to like the b16 so much, what about a ls b18 or a b20 block for that matter? Just asking questions, i wanna learn. If you put a vtec head on a ls motor you have to do some kind of vtec conversion as far as the oil and stuff goes right? Would you sleeve and juice the motor at all to help make more of a sleeper? Kinda scared of the spray but i've delt with it on the 454. Thanks again for the advice man!

[civichtbk7]

The reason you go with the ls block is because of the torgue.... the call it a poor mans type r ... if you put an ls/vtec and a type r on the dyno the are very close...... the reason you would go with a b20 is because of cause it a 2.0 not a 1.8... and you can bore it bigger with less shit to do.....vtec runs off of oil so when you put a vtec head on a non vtec block it isnt made to work vtec so you buy a conversion kit and make it work... very simple to do.....DO NOT SPRAY unless you build the block for it... seen to many guys with nothin left to there cars because of it....i dont no where you live but im selling my car..(the one i explaind to you) for 5 thousand.... i live in louisiana... all i have to do is reset the timing... but anyways even if you just want to come look and check it out to see if thats what you would want... whatever ... glad to help.


Chance

[carfanatic08]

So you recomend getting the b20 then? I found a 93 hatch thats black that i like alot, they only want 1800 for it. The body looks really good and so does the interior(except the everyday wear and tear). Back to the motor..no juice then? U think i can make a fast enough N/A motor to do some damage? I've done alot of research on the "poor mans GSR" and i understand how it works(with the oil kit and all). Now.. how hard is it to get a B-20 and a vtec head(and whats a ballpark price). Do you recomend boring and/or stroking the block? Hit me up man, im on a roll. I just might get that car tomorrow! We shall see how goes it all! Thanks again man!

[civichtbk7]

well its kinga hard to tell you how much it takes to get a b20 block.. its all about just finding one i own i salvage yards so it was kinda easy to find anything... call your local salvage yard and see what they have or can get.....the b20's that you want are out of 99-00 honda crv B20Z2.. if you build a b20vtec you will need a daily driver because you will have problems with it.... not much but enough for you to not be able to drive it for a day everyonce in a while...lol...in other words little thing.... all b series motors leak oil from the head gasket but
b20vtecs will pore oil out....and there is no fixing it unless you jsut get lucky.. about it being fast enough i mean its all about what you want to do... there are people running 11 sec out their with all motor... but the good thing about a ls/vetc is that if you wanted to later you can boost the thing about 10 psi daily and 12 on the special occasions.. if you have the money left then yeah bore it but decide then if you are goin to boost cause if ot go high compressionif so go low... about the prices ummmm.... if i just had to give a proce off the top of my head i would say like 8 for the b20 longblock and i bought my complete dpr head for like 600 GOT A DEAL.. so i would say about that for a decent b16 head.... oh yeah if your goin to boost go with a gsr head cause of the compression...


Chance

[Siege911]

If you want a sleeper, here's what you should do (IMO, of course):

Buy an EF- '88-91 civic hatch (preferably the dx/std, b/c they're the lightest).
Swap in an engine of your choice (doesn't really matter a whole lot, but I'd go with a b16 and build it a little bit).
Boost the shit out of it, and remember to paint the intercooler black (stock b-series engines can usually take 300whp with no build necessary, and 300whp in a 2000 pound car is a lot).
Go out and start whomping on anything that you like!

An ef shell can be had for under a grand, engine for 2 grand, turbo for like 3 grand, build the engine with a grand, and that's seven grand for ya.

[carfanatic08]

Siege, awsome idea! The power to weight ratio is a good theory. Would you make the b16 a vtec or no, or does it even matter? With the b16 swap, can i even fit a turbo under there? Sounds like a tight squeeze! Thanks for the info.

[Siege911]

Power to weight is really all Hondas have going for them. B16's are all vtec, so there's no decision there. Yes, of course you can fit a turbo under there! Observe:

Honda-Tech.com: Forced Induction: **Official Boosted EF Thread**

[chinoty]

Originally Posted by carfanatic08

First off, I feel kind of stupid for asking some of the same old questions that everyone else is(a broken record). I have searched this site and haven't found the answers that i want. I have just recently sold my 83 chevy short bed with a tuned 454 and wanted to get into the import scene to test the waters! Im not rich by any means, but my pockets are kind of full. I have taken a likeing to the mid 90 model civic hatches. i plan on making a sleeper. Im sorta new at this in-line 4 cylinder scene though. my budget is about 5k-8k roughly for this project. Any suggestions or help to build the ultamite sleeper would be fantastic. Thanks!

Dont feel stupid. First of all you did the right thing going into the imports. As you may already figure it out, theres so much you can do to a 4-banger. =) I've been through a total of 11 Hondas and all were suited with good stuff. The EJ1 I have now, i will be keeping for a long time. But anyhow with 5k-8k theres so much you can do. a little advise, i would recommend building the suspension first. a lot of people dont realize that honda suspension are very fragile due to amount of HP given for the OEM motors. Everyone seems to over look it. but anyhow 5k-8k is a lot to work with and can very exciting. good luck on the build and ask your question in here. you'll be suprise how many are honda enthusiast..