Whats Going On With My Brakes

[gsrcrxsi]

ok so ive been having a bit of a problem with my brakes lately. identical problems in two different cars.

first car is my 91 crx si. i used to have stock brakes with just a 15/16 MC, stainless braided lines, hawk hps pads, and valvoline synpower brake fluid. now the problem i was having was primarily only seen at the racetrack (1/4 mile). after a few runs the brakes would feel like they were fading. while sitting still or moving the brake pedal would just sink to the floor. it was slow, and i still had some pressure, but i would just have to keep pushing the pedal further til it hit the floor and lost almost all pressure. im losing absolutely no fluid anywhere, ive checked and ive kept an eye on my fluid level. my 95 integra LS is having this EXACT same problem with the same symptoms, again no fluid loss.

my first instinct tells me that im just overheating the brakes and its causeing fade and the fluid to boil. so 2 days ago i upgraded the crx's brakes to 10.2" rotor with type r calipers and hawk hps pads again. it was my understanding that this would reduce the amount of heat being generated and help fade (i really should have zero fade with this setup). so i did that, bled the brakes and i thought everything was fine. but today i took a trip to the bank and sure enough after about 30 mins of driving the pedal started to sink again. i have yet to bleed the brakes on the integra cause my brother has it.

since i have no fluid loss to me this says its the fluid boiling again, but 1 i have bigger brakes now, and 2 i JUST bled the brakes and i cant see the fluid boiling this fast. im not even braking really hard or really slamming on them, just driving normal. this really only seems to happen when ive been driving for a while and when im braking frequently. if ive been driving on the highway with very little braking its fine. so do i just need better fluid? or what? the valvoline fluid has like a 500 degree boiling point and i dont think ive gotten the temps up that high since when i get out of my car i can touch the brakes without severley burning myself (it is slightly hot though, as expected). or could this be something else going wrong in the brake system?

remember im having the exact same problem with 2 different cars on 2 different brake setups. both under the same conditions, with the same symptoms. maybe the MC?

any help is greatly appreciated.

[imported_Kyle_G]

in all honesty.. sounds like a shady bleeding job. Are you positive youve done it correctly? The only time ive ever experienced a mushy pedal that severe... was because of air in the lines. And you shouldnt be noticing any fading in every day driving. Youd have to be on and off them pretty hard and pretty frequent to heat the rotors/pads up that bad... and from what youve told us.. you should be fine in that department. Are you sure there were no air bubbles in the lines when you bled them? And did you use the proper bleeding methods?

[CivicSi04']

every honda ive ever had seems to do the same thing when stopped. u push the pedal down, come to a stop, then after a few seconds of being stopped the pedal sinks a lil bit more. even our pilot and our murano do the same thing, when driving it doesnt do it, only when stopped. i think it is due to the change in idle due to the loads on the car from, electrical, brake booster, etc.

[Calesta]

Your brake booster is bad or you have a vacuum leak somewhere in between your brake booster and your intake manifold.

[greasemonkey]

I agree with Kyle,

I'd try to bleed athe brake line... or replace the fluid if it's been around for a while with the proper approved fluid.

Air or mositure in the line will cause fading when the fluid gets hot.