Turbo Vs. Supercharger Age Old Debate

[tonyroll]

I read that jackson racing doesn't even make the sc for the honda they just whore out their name, didn't someone post a jr sc horror story around here, i think it was a link to hondatech. It said no one would honor the warranty.

[dubcac]

If you go JRSC, you won't break 200whp even on the high boost 11psi.


*Edit: I missed the B16 part. It could make ok power...

[Hybrid_Coupe]

no way is a supercharger better than a turbo...parasitic drag...sky-rocketing intake temps...they just dont work very well...turbo is your option man.

[cybergreenhatch]

300 hp
Durablity
least amount of ticking and routine maintiance
price

300 hp can b reach on either a turbo or a s/c. The guy who tuned my car has a 00si w/a jrsc that puts down that much, and he runs 12's. But you have to decide if once you get there, are you going to want more. If not happy with 300 later, you'll want to turbo. I havent heard any of anymore problems out of a supercharger as compared to a turbo. I would think that a turbo would actually be less durable, but its a car, anything can go wrong at an unexpected time. Both will breakdown your internals, its forced induction, and are motors arent built to take it.
I think a s/c would have less routine maintiance as compared to a turbo, and your turbo can also go out, as can a supercharger, but ive seen more people mess up turbo's than s/c's. Another thing you need w/a turbo you wont with a supercharger is a turbo timer, or is something deffinetly good to have as you must let your turbo cool down before shutting your car down. Prices for both setup can varry depending on a lot of things. With a turbo, it usually is if you custom do a kit or buy one, and which kit you go with. They can run from 2500-4000ish. Superchagers are about the same, but you only have two main options, 3000 for a jsrc, or over 4000 for a vortech. Another key thing that will depend on how much you spend is what kind of fuel management you go with. This will also help you decide on what kind of power you are looking for.

If you want 300hp, but not have to worry about near as much, and for a decent price id almost go with a jrsc, and some good fuel management. If you really want to turbo though, a drag kit and HONDATA should get you to your 300 mark. I never drive my car in the winter as it runs like crap once it gets cold out. My hatch is my toy, and i dont mind the maintaining of it, or the money i put into it, i want more than 300, and that is why its turbo'd. BTW, i have a B16a2 with a custom kit, and HONDATA, and i put down 290's.

[gianthobbit]

On a side note, how high (hp) do you push the b16's (b16a2 for example) befor you start building up the bottom end of your engine?

[cybergreenhatch]

10psi is all the stock block can handle. Just depends on what setup you go with to get your 10psi as to what h/p you will actually be putting down.

[gianthobbit]

Now I am confused, people told me in my last post (turbo turbo turbo) not to think in terms of psi for building up your engine but how much hp it can take safely. So what is it, psi or hp that I should be looking at?

P.S. Wont all turbo give you same or close hp at 10 psi?

[cybergreenhatch]

No they will not all give you the same or close h/p. I have been through a different manifold and different fuel management in the past year, and i have gone from 230's to 290's by changing those 2 things on my setup, with the same turbo i had to begin with.

[Hybrid_Coupe]

it is not psi that determines whether or not you build your bottom end. its how much power you plan to make...boost is different on all turbos...so 10 psi from one turbo will not equal 10 psi from a smaller turbo...As a shop we recommend not going over 250 without replacing pistons/rods...you can push more but as a shop we try and push people more towards reliability rather than pushing the limits.
now back to my previous statement...10 psi from my turbo nets about 380hp...My turbo is a pte-67. now if you take say...a t3/60-1 like my old turbo, i was at 280hp at 10psi...that should show you the differnce. the air flow that the turbo puts out is not the same for alll turbos...thats why you dont base building the bottom end on the amount of boost you plan on running.

[gianthobbit]

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