How To Pick Hp- Project Test Drive

[gianthobbit]

I am still unable to decide if i want to turbo my sohc, engine swap and turbo. So I need to decide what I really want. I have decided that I will not build the bottom end of my sohc engine if I go turbo. On stock internals I will be able to be around 200 hp at the clutch, maybe a bit more.

I would do the same with my DOCH B16a, not build the bottom end, or if anything just do forged pistons. I could safely push the engine to 500 with just forged pistons.

Problem is I dont know what the hell I want, 200 hp 300 hp or 500 hp. So I gots to thinking and I thought, hey why not go test drive a car that will somewhat feel like these three powerstages. Thats where I need your guys help, what cars do you think I should test drive to get the feel of a 200 hp, 300 hp, or 500 hp car?

Keep in mind I will be using turbo to get to all of these power levels.

[CivicSi04']

your not gonna get a safe 500hp, with just forged pistons, the motors gonna need more work then that. no wait lemme rephrase that,ull get 500hp, but then it will break. and ull be fucked. my opinion get a B18B1, build it from the bottom up over the winter, then put it in the car, in the spring, and then get urself a turbo kit over the summer

[gianthobbit]

I have heard otherwise from a couple sources saying that is not correct but that is not my question.

[AkinaDrifter03]

Originally posted by CivicSi04'@Nov 1 2005, 01:01 PM
your not gonna get a safe 500hp, with just forged pistons, the motors gonna need more work then that. no wait lemme rephrase that,ull get 500hp, but then it will break. and ull be fucked. my opinion get a B18B1, build it from the bottom up over the winter, then put it in the car, in the spring, and then get urself a turbo kit over the summer
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That's exactly what I'm doing!

[ledzep09]

test a RSX for the 200..

besides what about getting like 400 out of your B16...safer than 500 but still alot of fuckin power for a civic

[Siege911]

that's true man, these things will fly with even 300 hp, more than that IMO isn't very streetable.

[steronz]

i think it was a super street a few issues back that pushed a stock b16 as far as it would go to quell the myth that it's a weak motor. it went well past 400 crank hp before the ringlands gave out, so i'd say you're probably right that you could do 500 with just pistons. but it's a question of how long, and you'd have to upgrade a bunch of other stuff to support that kind of power. besides, if you crack it open to replace the pistons, you might as well do rods, and then you'd probably be fine on stock sleeves for a while.

but back to your question... your ONLY option is going to be to find other people with built civics who will let you drive their cars. a 500 hp z06 is going to be a LOT more streetable than a 500 hp FWD econobox. and they just don't make high hp FWD cars... maybe an SRT-4 or a 290 hp FWD Acura RL would be close, but the power-weight ratio isn't close to what it'd be in a civic. i would also guess that most people with 450+ hp hondas do that on race gas, and run around 300 whp on pump gas for the streets.

[cybergreenhatch]

500 with just pistons? you'd never make it off of the dyno, you wouldn't last on the stock sleves either for any amount of time

[steronz]

why do you say things like that? we have an example, forever documented in magazine form, of a bone stock b16 holding 422 crank hp on an engine dyno. then the ringlands gave out. it's all in the tune. forged pistons + stock rods could probably handle 500 hp, but i wouldn't trust it for long. forged pistons and forged rods (with stock sleeves) could surely handle 500 hp for an extended period of time.

the only reason to sleeve an engine is if you want to bore it out a bunch. a b16 w/ stock sleeves can handle just about whatever a street motor can make. however, if you want to bore a b18 out to 2 liters, well, then it needs sleeves 'cuz the stock ones would just be too thin at that point. spending $1000 bucks to sleeve an engine and keeping a stock bore is just wasting money.

[Calesta]

Yes, because magazines are the gospel of the engine building world. :P

No, I sure as hell wouldn't trust stock rods to that power level. One screwup with the tuning and you're done. One detonation at full throttle and you're done.

Resleeving an engine with the stock bore IS a good idea for a boosted application. I don't care if the magazine did it on the stock sleeve. Good for them- but good luck getting it all to work for yourself. Power levels over 600whp have been made on pump gas. Do you want to trust your open deck OEM sleeve that was NOT designed for turbocharging at that power level? Good luck.